Tipping

Story time, I'll keep it short.

Back when I was in high school, my brother and I went to a restaurant kind of late. About 11pm, an hour before closing. The waitress was on break, and hostess sat us and took our drink orders. We got our soda and the waitress hadn't shown up yet. The hostess took our food orders. She ended up bringing us our food, and getting us refills when we needed them. She took our dishes away and said she'd come back with the check. Again, the hostess, just to keep that straightened out. Well, twenty minutes later, the original waitress that was supposed to help came by to give us the check. We didn't leave a tip for her, because she hadn't helped us at all. Instead, we tried to find the hostess, and even asked a manager. She had gone home.

The next time we went, the same hostess was working the front podium. I gave her a 50 dollar bill. Fifty bucks from my 200-a-week job. Why? Because she went well beyond what she had to do.

On the other hand, guess who was rude to us because we didn't tip her? That's right. The waitress who did nothing but hand us the check the first time we were there.

That's probably the point when I decided that I would only tip for doing more than the mandatory minimum job requirements. Some people do their jobs VERY well and deserve tips. Some people phone in their work performances and don't even deserve the job.

That is what is great about tipping, it lets you reward a worker who is excellent at their job and not reward one who isn't. I was called a socialist in this thread but that seems like pure capitalism to me.
 
That is what is great about tipping, it lets you reward a worker who is excellent at their job and not reward one who isn't. I was called a socialist in this thread but that seems like pure capitalism to me.

That was my thoughts exactly, however, not wanting to offend any Americans while I'm over there I wanted to make sure I didn't tip too low. IMO in Australia, I only ever leave tips on any bills (cabs, restaurants, pizza etc) if I've received above-average service. Nothing says thank you more than $5-10 in their pocket for their assistance.

Also, I don't know if any fellow Australians do this, but if I receive good service I always ask for a manager and let them know so they know their employee is doing a great job.
 
Christ this is a long thread that I wish I caught earlier.

I used to live in Korea where tipping was not required, and somewhat insulting from tourists I met who mistakenly tried to tip their taxi driver. Although service is somewhat different in Korea (buttons on the tables to call over a waitress, many barbeque restaurants where you cook the meat yourself, etc.) I never felt that it was substandard in anyway despite the lack of tip.

It seems to me that tips are simply an entitlement that wait staff expect. This is reflected by the fact that they are paid less than minimum wage. Even the government expects you to tip. People are always quick to caution that you better have some conviction in refusing to tip on account of poor service for this reason. All that does is simply add pressure to tip even when it's reasonable not to do so.

I think the social confrontation that arises from stiffing someone on a tip because of their poor service also leads people to avoiding the conflict and tipping anyway.

Ideally waiters and waitresses should be paid a flat rate like every other service job. I've never tipped someone for helping me find a pair of jeans, or someone outfitting me with a pair of skis, or the store clerk that tracked down a product for me. They've all done their jobs just fine, and if I were bothered by their conduct I'd file a complaint or simply stop shopping there.

Being paid a flat rate for the wait staff would benefit them as well. No longer would they ever have to pick up a religious tract disguised as money, and they wouldn't have to worry about the tendency of large groups to undertip. I imagine there would be a certain relief in knowing that you're not dependent on tips would make the job somewhat stressful as well.
 
I'm moving soon. I haven't been tipping at all lately. I know I won't be back.
 
But, in reality, that's not how it goes down. Maybe in large chain restaurants it does. But, in family owned restaurants, it does not. I've bussed and waited in family owned places (as well as being a dishwasher). These people break their asses in ways that you don't see. You don't see it because they are doing what they can to make your dining experience enjoyable.

With that said, I once amassed about a 350 dollar tab, and didn't tip a dime. My wife (girlfriend at the time) and I went up to Connecticut to meet with my buddy from the Navy and his wife. We went to a restaurant and ate a big meal. Then, we started drinking and having fun. Every half hour or so, the waitress brought me the tab. I kept telling her that we weren't ready to leave. After this happened several times, I told her rather annoyed that we didn't intend to leave yet. Then she asked me how I was going to be able to pay the tab. I payed the tab and left without tipping her one cent. She actually followed me to the door and bitched very loudly that I didn't tip her. I told her to fuck off and left.

But, one time my wife and I went to a TGIF. The waiter overheard us complaining that we forgot cigarettes (we both used to smoke). He put about 6 cigarettes and a lighter on the table for us. He was very nice to us and made us feel important. My tab was 40. I tipped him 40. He deserved it.

There's gotta be more to this story, although I do think she definitely screwed up by asking you how you were going to be able to pay the tab. You're white, right? See this is the type of thing that happens to me but I expect it since i'm a "minority."

Also, was the place crowded? Were you being loud? Was it a place frequented by rednecks or ghetto people?

This being said, bringing you your tab every 30 minutes is not bad at all. It's pretty standard. Every 5-10 minutes I can see, but 30 is just her doing her job.
 
A good server always brings a refill before the first is gone, no questions asked. Unless, of course, it's an alcoholic beverage [again, at dinner], in which case you politely ask if you want another or something else. Not that hard.

Sorry, but this is not true in that if the customer doesn't want the refill or they want something else to drink or not even a refill.

Sorry, but that's BAD, CONTROLLING service. I don't want my server ORDERING for me WITHOUT *******MY********** CONSENT********!! Nowhere does the menu state you have to stick with the same soft drink or that you *HAVE* to have refills. Not everyone wants that.

Also good servers for iced tea will give you a new glass rather than pouring in the old watery tea mixing old tea with new tea and messing with the sweetener/tea ratio as well as it gives the people that want a slice of lemon to have that with EACH glass of iced tea. Pouring at the table disrupts service and actual has more tenancy to cause spilling.

*I* AM ****PAYING********, so *******I******** GET TO RULE WHAT I WANT IN MY SERVICE, NOT SOME STRANGER. I don't even let my husband order for me, much less a stranger.

I have switched up, even my husband before soft drinks or iced tea, water, etc.

If you want your server to order for you, you need to *************TELL THEM************** at the ***GREETING**** "Can I please get refills automatically without being asked throughout my service please, I'd really appreciate it?"

Most servers don't do this, so you may want to consider taking my advice, because servers aren't mind readers. Customers get to order. WE GET MENUS AND GET TO ORDER, because ***WE*** ARE PAYING THE TIP, NOT THE SERVER. WHY should a stranger decide for me I want another coke? What if I don't want a refill, I want my check or what if I want a glass of water instead or switch to iced tea or dr. pepper? I shouldn't have my server wasting my time on getting something I didn't tell them I wanted by them **ASSUMING**. I have had to send servers back before for ordering for me.

I don't have to tell my server "Hey please let me order for myself", that's ABSURD! Especially when most servers don't do this, so why should I waste my *MONEY*(TIP MONEY) which is what I am paying for when I have to send them back with what I do want. All I have said was "Can I get a coke instead"(I had a dr. pepper at first), and they don't say they are sorry even. I mean, you are GETTING THE ORDER WRONG when you GUESS WRONG what I wanted, DUHHH, that's a mistake and you SHOULD say you are sorry, NOT ME! I didn't assume, YOU DID!! This really happened at Red Lobster when the waiter came back, I even said "Thank you", but NO SORRY to speak of, WHY IS THAT, that servers think that they can get your order wrong(because they are separate orders, the first drink and any refill or any drink for that matter) that they can't say they sorry?

Ordering for your customers is NOT GOOD SERVICE unless you want it and the only way the server k nows if you want it or not is to *********PRE-ORDER***** them when greeted OR if your server asks you at the beginning of the service "Some people like refills without being asked, is something you all would be interested in?"

That's pretty all you have to do.

No, you have A LOT more to do than that. Compare the written orders or tickets to the food for obvious errors as well as the menu if you don't know the menu. Compare the menu prices to the check prices as well as make sure the correct items are rung up and there are no extra items rung up. To make sure customers have what they need like utensils, napkins, straws, appetizer plates etc. To *OFFER* refills rather than "ORDERING" refills for customers. Making sure customers have things they want like being available to order other things like bar drinks.


I understand that it's typically not a servers fault if the food takes too long. That's the kitchen.

Now this is VERYYYYY MUCH NOT TRUE AND YOU KNOW IT, HERE'S WHY:

What you are saying is MOST of the time NOT TRUE at all, here's why, ask yourself:

1. WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each table’s order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.

2. FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.

3. Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entr
 
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A good server always brings a refill before the first is gone, no questions asked. Unless, of course, it's an alcoholic beverage [again, at dinner], in which case you politely ask if you want another or something else. Not that hard. That's pretty all you have to do. I understand that it's typically not a servers fault if the food takes too long. That's the kitchen. I've worked on both sides of the counter.

I also thought about some more things that the server can control with how long you wait for your food:

1. Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entr
 
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Before tipping, read the bill to make sure a standard gratuity has not already been included.
 
I worked in several jobs where I recieved tips and didn't give a shit if I didn't get tipped. If you don't want to get 'screwed' by non-tippers go out and get a real job.
 
I ordered a steak rare and a waitress argued with me saying it was rare when it was medium. Zero tip for her and I had the manager bring me a steak that was cooked rare.
 
Do you realize you were *STEALING* from the company?

yep. it works out for the restaurant in the long run. a lot of people only ordered if they had coupons. some coupons were 'spend a lot/save a little' so it dupes them into spending more than they would have.

it also made up for everyone else fucking up orders and me having to go waste my gas fixing their mistakes. and if there was more than one driver i'd lose my place taking deliveries.
 
Springs1 has just been chilling on Sherdog lurking with 20 posts for 2 and half years until Whiskey makes a post that just pushes him over the rage cliffs and he unleashes a fury on him
 
I'm actually going to New Zealand next month and definitely wanna hit some bars and restaurants there?

Anyone know the usual is over there?
 
yep. it works out for the restaurant in the long run. a lot of people only ordered if they had coupons. some coupons were 'spend a lot/save a little' so it dupes them into spending more than they would have.

it also made up for everyone else fucking up orders and me having to go waste my gas fixing their mistakes. and if there was more than one driver i'd lose my place taking deliveries.

While I understand what you are saying, but a lot of people don't care about money, because if they did, they would check their bill and in most cases, A LOT of customers do NOT read their bill. Also, if I want something, I don't give a care if it's a couple of dollars more, because that's what I want. So I really don't agree with your logic. You still should have had permission from your manager to do that. Also, what a IRRESPONSIBLE dumb manager that you had to not have you put the coupons with your register z-out(assuming that you had some sort of thing like I did when I worked at a donut shop/diner that you had the register tally up all the sales for the shift). I had to include any coupons, checks, video poker tickets, etc. I also once didn't know because NO ONE TOLD ME some man gave me another video poker ticket from another place of business. Luckily it was only $10 and they made ME responsible for getting that $10 back from the restaurant that had originally had it, which my mom did at the time since I was only 21yrs old still living at my parents house at the time(I am 35yrs old now). My point is, my manager if we were short, they'd take it out of our checks after like $2 or $3 can't remember. Also, you HAD to include any coupons or anything like that.

I truly don't agree that people spent more, because you still underrang items since you didn't include the coupon in your register.

It's possible you could have made more money for the restaurant, but it wasn't YOUR CALL to make since you weren't a manager. If I were a manager, I would have FIRED you ON THE SPOT for doing something without my consent EVEN IF it made more money for the restaurant, it's not up to YOU without permission. If you would have asked permission and you thought it would make more money, then I would have let you do it to see and if it did work, fine, but you would have had MY PERMISSION if I were a manager. I would have fired you for doing something like that. It honestly makes people not spend as much because I don't care if something is $5 more or whatever, I want what I want and don't give a care. What you did it for was that you did it to make more money on your tip, which you did it at the expense of the restaurant to steal from them. You are in the wrong, sorry, you are!!

THOU SHALL NOT STEAL!
 
Springs1 has just been chilling on Sherdog lurking with 20 posts for 2 and half years until Whiskey makes a post that just pushes him over the rage cliffs and he unleashes a fury on him

Not gonna lie he's making me laugh. Whiskers get in here! I want something juicay this morning!
 
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